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NodrugsMar, April 5,  2020  12:43pm EST

Anyone else on naturopathic treatment

Hi All

This is a great forum. I am getting so much information, so thanks to everyone for sharing.

Is there anyone in this forum that has been on natural/herbal treatment that has succ​​​​essfully treated AFib?

I am fit 62 year old female (walk/cycle/gym) with AFib diagnosed Jan 1 2020 (no high BP, no elevated Chloresterol etc).....so no underlying health situations).

I am not taking the prescription meds & have decided to take naturopathic treatment that I started Apr 3. I still have "episodes" of being lightheaded and fatigued (usually for about 15 minutes each day with fibbing), but I am hoping that my treatment will improve my energy levels & reduce the episodes while correcting the AFib.

I would really appreciate if anyone would be able to share their experiences with natural treatments.

Stay strong, Marianne

 

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  • Heartfe6878
    Heartfe6878, April 5,  2020  3:30pm EST

    I have tried the many venues in my treatment of Afib....However integrating all of them on a foundation of Western Medicine is best for me....It sounds from my part of reading your post that you are walking alone on the naturopathic way. and are reaching out to others who are also possibly walking alone.....And as a concerned Afibber,I canonly caution you from my experience that please keep yourself monitored with both naturopathic and western medicine.....

  • NodrugsMar
    NodrugsMar, April 5,  2020  4:35pm EST

    Hi heartfe6878

    Thnx for your feedback.

    I have my doctor copied on all naturopathic treatment. It is early into my treatment, so I do hope they both collaborate. Blood work is shared and I do have upcoming echo test when the pandemic eases.

    I am not taking prescription meds since they are in pill form & I have major swallowing issues. (Not medical issue, but gagging reflex). If the meds were crushable, liquid or if capsule could be broken open might I probably would have taken them, but no pharmacist could find any form that works for me.

    I have a strong immune system so I don't want to compromise my platelets. I do take aspirin 81 mg for blood thinner plus naturopathic recommendations for omega 3, magnessium citrate, and other well known healthy minerals & supplements.

     

     

  • Edhammer
    Edhammer, April 6,  2020  6:54am EST

    Welcome to the forum. Afib is such a diverse condition.  almost as many manifestations as people with the condition. My belief is that a good electrophysiologist is your best bet in terms if a provider. I also believe that there is enough misinformation out there regarding treatments. There are also always people who want to prey on us with little care of the consequences. You may not be aware, but the use of baby aspirin has most recently been discouraged by reputable organizations. The use of warfarin has also been discouraged. I'm not competent to advise treatment protocol, but I do strongly recommend that a good electrophysiologist be on board with your decisions. While we all need to have a say in our treatment, we need to have science back up our decisions.

    good luck

  • DkinAA
    DkinAA, April 6,  2020  8:46am EST

    I agree with Edhammer about EP Electrophysiology cardiologist and aspirin. Also I'll point out that the standard anticoagulants like Xarelto and Eliquis come as really tiny pills - the smallest I've ever seen - like the size of a single dry lentil. Maybe you could manage to swallow them. Since stroke is the biggest risk from afib, I think looking into this would be wise. 

  • BethClark
    BethClark, April 6,  2020  10:13am EST

    AFib is a problem with the electrical system in your heart and can happen even if you're in otherwise good health. As others have said, stroke is the biggest danger with aFib. Your doctor will recommend whether you should be on an anticoagulant based on your CHADS score. Your CHADs score takes into account a number of risk factors. I am female and 65+, which puts me at a score of 2 without any other factors considered and that score is an indicator for an anticoagulant. Since you are not yet 65 your doctor might consider you to be at lower risk and not yet a candidate for an anticoagulate. 

    There are a number of things that people do to try to eliminate their triggers--reducing caffine, eliminating alcohol, taking magnesium--you'll read about them in the forum posts. Some of these might reduce the episodes for you too. But even without the episodes occurring the stroke danger is still there.

    In my opinion, avoiding western medicine and not taking an anti-coagulant if your doctor recommends it is playing with danger. There is no do-over if you have a stroke. It would be devasting. The increased danger of stroke with aFib is well documented. 

    An alternative to drugs is to try to fix the electrical malfunctioning that causes the aFib--having an ablation. Some people then go off of drugs completely after an ablation. But typically drug treatment is the first course of treatment that the doctors try. 

  • Heartfe6878
    Heartfe6878, April 6,  2020  11:53am EST

    As a after thought of my first note to you when you have difficulty swallowing your pills......I am sure that you have checked with your pharmacist and the drug manufacture customer service and called them and asked for help with this....There must be a answer to this....Even applesauce and a pill is better than no pill at all...Call and ask...Have you Had your swallowing situation worked up? My daughter is a Speech pathologist and she taught me how to swallow some of the medications that I had trouble with...Just ideas...Be well. Keep in touch with usThe above advise from others is excellent...

  • NodrugsMar
    NodrugsMar, April 6,  2020  4:03pm EST

    Hey all,

    Thanks for all your great feedback. I never even knew electrophysiology existed. I was only in emergency the one time & this is when I got my diagnosis.

    I am definitely going to have a more in-depth follow up with my doctor and get some of our next steps in notes ( more for me so I can get a medical diary started).

    I will also record dates & times of episodes, sleep etc.

    Sincerely t....has been most helpful. I will post back with the results from meeting with my dr & after the referral to an electrophysiological.

    Thnx again, Marianne

     

  • Edhammer
    Edhammer, April 6,  2020  6:26pm EST

    I can't say enough about taking an anti coagulant. The biggest danger of afib is stroke. Research in the U.K. points out how so many folks stop taking the anti coagulant because they can't notice a change in how they feel or because the medication is expensive. These are the afibbers who die from strokes. Please take your anticoagulant.

  • JohnMiosh
    JohnMiosh, April 7,  2020  7:37am EST

    Hi Ed,

    Just to clarify, People in the UK do not stop taking drugs because of the cost.  The maximum cost of a prescription drug is £10 (normally for a months supply).  Where people are on long term medication they can buy a prepaid subscription which costs £30 for three months.  Under 18s, over 65s, students and unemployed get free prescriptions.  

  • Edhammer
    Edhammer, April 7,  2020  8:24am EST

    John, I was not clear about the studies. You are correct about drug prices in the U.K. Anticoagulants in the USA are the expensive ones. It's that eat dinner or take drugs for some. The assistance offered by pharma usually runs out pretty quickly. Fortunately, I've got great insurance, but I'm still paying significantly for my Eliquis. But I'll keep using it religiously.

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