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depotdoug, May 14,  2020  1:33pm EST

Post RF Ablation success(8 days) - XARELTO 20mg/day - Found an unexpected strong reason to Stay on it this Morning. CANCER clotting.

Good afternoon my AFIB friends and support pillar go to people,

This morning was a folow-up with my very well informed primary care physician in Ft. Wayne for 2 reasons. I did not even expect the 2nd reason & answer. 

Reason # 1.

1] Inspection Ck of my left cath incision upper thigh suture aka stitch . All things well, suture removed, healing is rapidly advancing. OH what an anxiety relief it is. Good news. All ablation input wounds in max healing mode! Good news again.

Reason # 2 

2]  Discussion jumped to my next 7 office visits relating to my  Cancer treatment, CT and NM scans, labs, meds, Lupron injects.       I mentioned my desire to be XARELTO Free sometime soon to my Family Practice doctor. He looked me in the face and said that Cancer cells can cause contribute to "Blood Clots". I said Oh No!  But I told him that is pending my next follow-up appointment with my super skilled EP Dr. V. in a month.

My next research education focus will be on Blood Clotting complications caused by my Advanced Prostate Cancer Cells floating around in my 68yo blood stream. I'm staying on Xarelto until further notice.

Can anybody shed any light on blood clots increasing by Cancer cells?


  • MellanieSAF
    MellanieSAF, May 14,  2020  1:57pm EST


    I'm glad that your family practice doctor is so well informed. I had replied back to you (on Facebook, I think), when you expressed a desire to come off Xarelto, that cancer is a huge cause of clots and strokes. I expressed that, based on my research and what I know, anyone with both afib and cancer should have a conversation with their doctors about staying on anticoagulants. There is plenty of proof that cancer and cancer treatments cause clots. (The good news: I read the other day that the androgen therapy you are on decreases your risk of COVID-19.)


  • depotdoug
    depotdoug, May 14,  2020  2:18pm EST

    Mellanie, I'm so much more comfortable being -1 suture-less incision in normal healing mode. I've definitely got a skilled professionally up to date medical ***. My IU Health physicians, all of them, three Urologists, and now going on 10 months IU Med Oncologist are amazing. Maybe I'll send this similar message content to Dr A and his RN's before my June 8-9th Scans, Labs @ IU Simon Cancer Center.  He should concur with the Cancer / Blood Clots on a patient like me or similar. XARELTO will stay in my blood nightly with dinner. 
    Thxs Mellanie.


  • AHAASAKatie
    AHAASAKatie, May 14,  2020  3:58pm EST

    HI! First, I am glad that you received good news on your first question. I do need to ask you to do me a favor. We are working through an issue with our profanity filter. Can you retype the words that the computer **** out for me? Do it all Caps or put a p.e.r.i.o.d. inbetween the letters? I need to know what the word is that the filter is picking up. Thanks Katie

  • depotdoug
    depotdoug, May 14,  2020  4:20pm EST

    Sorry about that Katie. That word should have been primary care physician. 

    I can maybe attribute that keystroke error to my Prednisone tab i took at lunchtime.

    Kindsest regards,


  • Edhammer
    Edhammer, May 14,  2020  6:35pm EST

    Eight days in and you're still doing well. I have to say that your whole 'demeanor' is so much more relaxed and positive than so many times in the past. I'm really happy for you.

    Thus has been a long road and none of us are totally sure of the destination, but it sure seems like you are on a positive piece right now. Good for you!!!

    Goad I didn't have to raise my foot!


  • AHAASAKatie
    AHAASAKatie, May 15,  2020  9:08am EST

    Ok. thank you for letting me know. If you see any further *** showing up where they do not belong, please let me know so I can trouble shoot. Best Katie

  • depotdoug
    depotdoug, May 15,  2020  9:30am EST

    Well, Am i happy? I should be with an NSR 2 lead commercial KARDIA EKG this AM. 1st one since 5 hr ablation inside my heart 9 days ago.  I have not been able to get a non-noisy,conclusive EKG in the last threee months.

    Patient: Douglas Ensch, 3/10/52 (68yrs)
    Recorded: Friday, May 15, 2020 at 09:13:07
    Heart Rate: 70 BPM
    Duration: 1mins
    Instant Analysis: Normal
    Enhanced Filter, Mains Frequency: 60Hz Scale: 25mm/s, 10mm/mV

    But my Anxiety and continued fear of Xarelto meds and msg i got from my family practice doctor yesterday. Cancer causes blood clots.

    I just added an Apple S4 watch EKG, brilliant. I should be happier. 




  • depotdoug
    depotdoug, May 15,  2020  9:39am EST

    Heh, My Apple S4 watch is even nice to me today. A beautiful Red NSR 30 sec EKG. 

    Should I be happy? Maybe happier. 


  • grandscheme
    grandscheme, May 15,  2020  11:49am EST

    Good morning Doug!

    So glad you are well on the other side of your ablation. YAY! Re: Xarelto....

    I'm on Coumadin and needed my blood draw (which you do not need on Xarelto -- YAY) and I dressed in a NASA space suit to enter the lab yesterday. lol

    Outcome was excellent, so I'm good for another month.

    Coumadin has worked well for me for five years; that said, Xarelto's benefits of no Vitamin k restriction and no ongoing blood tests are immense.

    XARELTO will stay in my blood nightly with dinner. (Sounds yummy, almost as good as chocolate cake!)

    Keep on, keeping on Doug! You rock.


  • Thumper2
    Thumper2, May 16,  2020  7:47am EST

    Doug, so glad to hear all this good news from your ablation!

    Grandscheme, as for coumadin testing, I hope you are getting the little finger-prick test and not a whole blood draw!  When they instituted the finger-prick (a few drops on a special paper, read by a tiny machine), it was so much better than a blood draw.  I go once a month to see the nurse-specialist-- both of us are wearing masks, she has gloves also.  I know she cleans desk surfaces, etc., between patients.  This feels like sufficient safety to me -- no need to suit up!  As I've mentioned here before, I eat healthy and do not pay attention to Vit.K, and my coumadin level is always good.  I hope I never have a reason to go onto Xarelto or any of the others.  Just my opinion!

    Thumper2 (Judy)

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